Caveman's Watch Forum

Whoa! Figured I might have a shot at the What are you wearing? today, gettin' up at 0400 as I did. Post contains Picture(s) (views: 29)
Ricky Lee -- Wednesday 29 October, at 2008 10:56AM

Obviously one must not retire at all, to beat you to a What ya wearin'? ! Laughing!

Am wearin' the RickyWatch Auto this frosty Mississippi morn' Calling Reto Castellazi .


Ricky Watch Auto
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No quickset date on this movement, so I try to wear it ~ 2 hours a day, to keep it running. That usually does the trick, though every now and again (roughly bi-weekly) it needs a session on the watch winder to fully charge it.

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Speaking of the movement, I've been trying to research it a bit, and have mostly come up blank. I wonder if you could tell me anything about it, Boss?

RixkyWatch Automatic

It's German made, a Herman Becker HB313 Ultra-Matic.

RickyWatch Automatic

Specifically, I'm wondering what other watches used Herman Becker movements in general, and the HB313 in particular. TIA!

RickyWatch Automatic

-Ricky

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HB313 were mostly used in Swiss and German watches in the 60ies. Here is a link to a closed e-Bay logo auction of such a watch (EZA) >>> Post contains a linked URL (views: 28)
Admin -- Wednesday 29 October 2008, at 02:56PM

I think yours might need a service, it should fully charge when worn

German e-Bay auction in PDF format HERE

Eza automatic from eBay.de

Sorry, I did not notice that I was logged on as Admin. The book from Mr. Heinz Hampel >>> (views: 9)
Reto -- Wednesday 29 October 2008, at 03:34PM

Automatic Wristwatches from Germany, England, France, Russia, Japan & the USA, ISBN 0764303791 has 3 pages about Hermann Becker. I am going to honor Mr. Hampel's copyright and will not copy these pages here. The other reason is, you gotta have this book anyway, as it covers a lot of stuff that will never make it to the Internet.

I am only going to mention that in Hampel's book, there is also an EZA depicted. A stunning model with hour and minute disk and a center second that looks like a compass needle. It features a HB313 just like in yours. Interesting also that you can completely remove the wig-wag reversing wheel bi-directional automic winding and you can still wind the watch manually

Re: I think yours might need a service, it should fully charge when worn.. >>> Post contains a linked URL (views: 10)
Ricky Lee -- Wednesday 29 October 2008, at 06:08PM

Nope, it had a complete COA less than a year ago. I am smiling... I have to resort to the watch winder occasionally because I only wear it 1 to 2 hours a day. If worn for 6+ hours straight, it will get a full wind. So the real problem is I don't wear it enough! Scary! Laughing!

} Here is a link to a closed Ebay
} auction of such a watch (EZA)

Whoa! That's a funky one! And.. wow, they're asking 139 euros! I practically stole mine.. Laughing!

} The book from Mr. Heinz Hampel..

Amazon.com does offer it. Sounds intriguing! Even at US $58, I may not be able to resist that one.. I am smiling...

} ..you gotta have this book anyway..

That's what I'm afraid of.. Laughing!

Seriously, thanks so much for the lead, Reto! The most I've been able to turn up so far is this page, which has some basic info and some good photos of the movement.


http://www.christophlorenz.de/watch/movements/h/hb/hb_313.php?l=en
Hermann Becker HB313

Description

At the beginning of the 60ies, the movement manufactury Hermann Becker of Pforzheim, Germany released their last selfwinding movement, the caliber 313, called "Ultramatic".

The HB 313 is a 11 1/2 ligne selfwinding movement whose rotor winds in both directions with a rocking bar winding system. It contains a contemporary two-leg ring balance, which is beared in two Antichoc S65 shock protection systems. The hairspring is connected to a moveable stud and can be regulated by a short regulator arm.

The 25 jewel movement has got a directly driven center second hand and on the dial side a yoke winding mechanism and a number of cap jewels to reach the high nimber of 25 jewels.

The large date ring advances slowly and can be corrected semi-fast by turning the time back and forth.

http://www.christophlorenz.de/watch/movements/h/hb/hb_313.php?l=en
movement view without rotor

http://www.christophlorenz.de/watch/movements/h/hb/hb_313.php?l=en
dial side view

Technical data

Manufacturer Hermann Becker
Caliber HB313
Number of jewels 25
Escapement Anchor with pallets
Balance Nickel screw balance
Functions Hour, minute, second, date
Beats per hour 18000
Size 111/2''' ligne
Factsheet

Usage gallery

http://www.christophlorenz.de/watch/movements/h/hb/hb_313.php?l=en
Anker divers' watch



Then, too, there's this thread on WUS, where the author makes the statement - "The above grading is open to debate – particularly if a maker was selling ebauches, the end user could determine whether he was going to put in a Swiss lever or a pin pallet lever. Thus you might get a cheap looking movement which still has full jewelling and a Swiss lever. In my general experience, however, of the above, Förster, Otero, Kasper and Hermann Becker always made high-quality movements while companies like Thiel made cheap movements of plate-and-pillar construction which may be used either way."

This, combined with the fact that my watchmaker was quite impressed with the HB313 when he did the COA, has given me a pretty high opinion of the movement. If nothing else, it's not a 'belly button movement' (IOW "everyone has one" Wink, wink ... ) like ETA or Unitas. Which is A-OK by me. Laughing!

Thanks again for your help, Reto.

-Ricky

The German Ebay auction listed the EZA watch as a watch >>> (views: 12)
Reto -- Wednesday 29 October 2008, at 07:38PM

with a very rare and collectible movement Ricky. And I think the seller is right. I really love to have watches with rare movements. Another thing only a WIS can understand probably. I would say that all these old movements from manufacturers which have long disappeared are very collectible and horological milestones. Interestingly also, that HB used shock protections from Rula. Probably invented at a similar time as the Incabloc.

Knowing that there is a HB313 in there, I look already completely differently at your selfmade watch Ricky Thumbs Up!

Thanks for the kind words Reto. Yes, judging by the paucity of information available.. (views: 7)
Ricky Lee -- Wednesday 29 October 2008, at 09:31PM

..on Hermann Becker in general and the HB313 in particular, I also think it's quite a rare and collectible movement.

And, no, I don't feel guilty about cannibalizing the movement for my own nefarious purposes. Wink, wink ... I generally wouldn't do such a thing, but the styling of the OEM case was perfectly hideous.

Eza 25-jewel automatic

Scary! Laughing!

Thanks again for the info, and especially for pointing out the Rula shock protection. Thumbs Up!

-Ricky

I like that Mondaine Thumbs Up!  Thumbs Up! Post contains no message text  (views: 6)
Ed Brandwein -- Wednesday 29 October 2008, at 12:17PM
Thumbs Up! & Thumbs Up! with an extra Thumbs Up! for contrast :) I love the bracelet on the 1st one! Post contains no message text  (views: 7)
Brian Uziel -- Wednesday 29 October 2008, at 11:40AM
Thank You Very Much That's one of my favorite bracelets, too. It's german made, a Vollmer solid Ti. Fairly $$ by my humble standards, but worth every penny! Thumbs Up! Post contains no message text  (views: 7)
Ricky Lee -- Wednesday 29 October 2008, at 04:33PM
You're a tuff taskmaster, Ricky! Post contains no message text  (views: 9)
carlos x -- Wednesday 29 October 2008, at 11:21AM
Doh! You meant my Punctuality Lectures! Nah, not really...  (views: 6)
Ricky Lee -- Wednesday 29 October 2008, at 02:58PM

..I just do that to mess wi' folks. Laughing!

-Ricky

Never been afraid to admit I know just enough to know how much I don't know. When you REALLY want to know, ask the expert. Laughing Out Loud  (views: 6)
Ricky Lee -- Wednesday 29 October 2008, at 11:41AM